Chile From Within

Allende v. Pinochet, an informed commentary and discussion on Beautiful Horizons

Posted in chile by tomasdinges on July 17, 2007

For those whose opinions on the deposed, yet democratically elected (with a slim decision, yet democratically elected) former president of Chile, Salvador Allende, rest on theories of US/CIA involvement and a glowing tribute to socialism, or for those whose opinions about the military dictator (yes, dictator, bombing of presidential palace, curfew, suspension of civil rights and the of course, detention, disappearance and torture) rest on a rejection of socialism/communism and an opinion about the unbalanced accounts of Pinochet in the press and in your local bookstore, PLEASE READ the exchange between Randy Paul and a reader of his blog Beautiful Horizons.

The discussion is found here.

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  1. Vinkoval said, on July 17, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    The link on “Beautiful Horizons” to the audio of John Dinges on the Leonard Lopate Show didn’t work for me, but I found an archive of the show here:

    Hope that helps anyone looking for it.

  2. tomasdinges said, on July 17, 2007 at 10:27 pm

    Thanks a lot. By the way, and of course you probably recognized it…its an old post by Beautiful Horizons…Of course we are talking about events 30 some years ago.

  3. Vinkoval said, on July 18, 2007 at 12:18 am

    Yes, I figured as much. The post was written back in 2004 and nothing on the internet stays in the same place for very long.

  4. Randy Paul said, on July 18, 2007 at 2:36 am

    Thanks for the mention, Tomas. Unfortunately, Anthony O’Donnell never commented on any of my posts after the Pinochet hidden millions scandal came out. I wonder what he would have thought of that.

    BTW, I understand you’re coming up north for grad school. Let me know when you arrive: the caipirinhas or pisco sours or cervezas are on me!


    Thanks for the new link. I’ve updated the original post. Link rot is the bane of bloggers.

  5. Bruj@ said, on July 25, 2007 at 3:36 am

    first.. sorry my english is not so good…
    This is a interesting site.
    I must say that I wrote post on the matter about racism/soccer teme of which you comment recently Tomas, in chilenos’s Blog. nevertheless it was not published by the author of this blog. It is for that reason that I comment out here to you. Sorry about that.

    with respect to the question >> wonder if people like Bruj@, whose social situation seems to be more mobile has faced or seen people “on the other side” as victims of racism in Chile, by the state or by people of another class?
    (..)I wonder if he/she has done anything about it. If not, I wonder why? >>

    yes, i did. I have worked in organisms, nongobernamentales that try to educate people, about its rights and like defending themselves of abuses authority, With the aid of young lawyers. (friends)

    this initiative was born of personal processes and a group of personals friends. because of, in my family are cases of people who suffered because of the abuse authority in the past.
    I am absolutely conscientious of the lack of my country, we have many defects like idiosyncrasy . I know that our police commit excesses in every day, I know that we are just learning on human rights and ddhh. I assume our sad last one as country but I create firmly in the better future … specially in creating conscience, on our dignity like people and country.

    es por esa razón que no me gusta que, como personas o nación seamos pasados a llevar fuera o dentro del Pais. Mi post fué una reacción ante aquellos echos puntuales. Pero Chileno los tomó de forma personal. Y respondió de forma ofensiva hacia mi persona, lo que hizo imposible contuniar una discusión.
    Pero creo que si hay gente que se da cuenta de lo que sucede ( internal conflict) y esta trabajando en eso.

    Te dejo afectuosos saludos… Bruj@. 😉

  6. tomasdinges said, on July 26, 2007 at 8:35 pm

    Hola Bruj@,

    First, don’t apologize for your english, because it seems that it is your second language. That said, don’t sacrifice your clarity or capacity of expression just to write in English. I heavily promote spanglish, as some things are simply better said in other languages. Plus, being bilingual should be an obligation in todays world, so make our readers work. Also, its easier to read other languages on the internet.

    The initiative that you speak of is really interesting and I would like to know more about it in detail.

    I actually proposed an article about the expanding definitions of human rights in Chile back in 2004 for Siete Mas 7..I was interested in advertising violations of human rights post-pinochet, post-first couple govt’s of the transition…After years of people having a very clear goal, kicking out Pinochet and correcting the gross violations of human rights (murder, dissappearance, torture) committed during the dictatorship, a whole other category of human rights violations came into play, people and organizations were at a loss for how to identify, define and battle HR violations in a more “modern” context…aka post-dictatorships of LatinAmerica…. environmental rights, consumer rights, age and gender rights….etc..

    I think C.hileno’s point, which can be read in
    is that Chileans are very vocal in defending their rights (as Chileans under one flag), when in their own country great amounts of racism and classism persist. This is facilitated by the complicity of an “underclass” or oppressed class (I use these words not in a theoretical way, but loosely) who fail to constructively battle for their (more complex array of human ) rights in a democratic regime, post-Pinochet.

    Chile will fight its battles by itself, and seemingly initiatives and attitudes like yours will move this process along.

    Please share your experiences.

  7. Red Baron said, on August 1, 2007 at 4:22 pm

    Hi TOmas

    thanks for dropping by, the original post of 9/11 Santiago was on my old blog, I’ve moved to WordPress and am gradually bringing everything across, I hadn’t got to that one yet but I’ve rectified that.

    It’s neither long nor especially thought out but I was young and angry and had just watched a film about the takeover. I would welcome your thoughts and comments.

  8. naisioxerloro said, on November 29, 2007 at 10:39 am

    Good design, who make it?

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